Restoration vs Maintained

Doug- Thanks for your quality and thoughtful response.
The JCRC/Concours Committee of JCNA works diligently to constantly improve the Judges guides and training hguidelines for Concours.

Speaking as a BOD member and Concours participants, we highly regard and support their wonderful efforts.
Sherman D Taffel, JCNA Secretary, NE Dir
Columbia,Maryland
72 E V-12 FHC(timing chain issue),
76XJ12C project,
88 XJS Convert,
96 XJR to INDY CC2007

JAM, you are certainly entitled to your opinion. In this case, though, I think you are laboring under some misconceptions so your "point", even if some agree with it, isn't especially fitting with respect to Jaguars and JCNA. You might have a change of heart if your were as well informed as you would probably like to be. For one thing, as John mentioned, you don't understand the various JCNA classifications, particularly WRT "preservation" class.

I can't speak for Jaguar organizations around the globe but JCNA concours are different than many car organizations. There are relatively few "trailer queens". Most cars are actually used and driven...some extensively. The underbodies and suspensions are not judged/scored and this encourages actual use of the cars, something many owners take advantage of. In fact its not unusual to see an entrant on the concours field Saturday and then again on the slalom track Sunday ...all after driving hundreds of miles or more to the event.

I showed my old Ser III at many JCNA events and am proud to say scored as high as 99.7xx points with the car....in Championship class...and it was a TRUE "daily driver". As a fellow "car guy" I would hope you'd share an appreciation for that sort of accomplishment, but maybe you don't....as you disagree with the entire idea of showing and judging a car.

The beauty of showing your Jag (besides the fun of it all) is it forces you to keep it in very good condition...and that would be wrong....how? I've just started showing my XJR...also a daily driver and now my only Jaguar. Not that much of a challenge at 41k miles when compared to my Ser III, which had 147k miles the last time I showed it. I'm not alone in this: I was at the Portland concours last weekend and one fellow drove his gorgeous Jaguar 1560 miles to the show and scored *very* well.

As for restorations, well, there are many ways to enjoy the car hobby. If total restoration is what some enjoy then more power to them. I certainly enjoy viewing the fruits of their labor even if they don't drive them.

Cheers
DD

Doug Dwyer
Longview Washington USA
1995 XJR

JAM (what is your real name?)
I can see how the idea of Preservation class Vs. Championship class would be confusing to you or anyone else who doesn't have any knowledge of what we do and what we're all about at JCNA concours.

Preservation class isn't for a car that's been driven hard for years and "had every repair in the book done to it". No, preservation class is for that rarest of rare car that's been lovingly cared for over the years and driven sparingly, gaining a lovely patina while still retaining it's original condition.

A car with the usual rust and mechanical repairs done to it over the year would not do well in this class. That's why a true Preservation competitor is so rare. And why most cars need to be restored to get them to a show level.

That doesn't mean that all restored cars are kept in hermetically sealed crypts. I keep mine in my garage.

John Testrake
Jaguar Association of Greater St. Louis
74 XJ12L rhd

No, I don't "see your point" because you're not making any sense at all and yoru sarcasm really isn't necessary.

What prompted you to start this rant almost a year and a half after the original question was asked?

My answer has everything to do with the current JCNA rules regarding preservation class (C-19) which you obviously only what to whine about. If you think they should be changed, then lobby to have them changed through the proper channels.

I don't subscribe to the idea of "judging" cars, but:

QUOTE: For example, 25.00 points would be deducted if the car was repainted

>>but if it was restored, (which neccesarily means repainted), then no point deduction? Hello?

a restoration is a re-manufacture, under any definition. When the car has its tongue sticking out, gone, dead, a carcass, and you found it in an abandoned farm, after years of sitting under the oak tree, and you brought it home, and started restoring it.

But if the car has been continually in use since new, and it has had every repair in the book done to it, and has never been abandoned under the oak tree, then your car is the maintained kind, the kind that should win the trophy. Period. But no, instead it gets all the "penalties" from the judges!

The Trailer Queen gets the trophy everytime, it is a pretty museum piece, noone would dare start the engine for fear of wearing the rings, much less drive it on asphalt, heaven forbid, it could get dirty or scratched underneath, the exhaust could turn blueish, no,no,no. It is kept in a climate-controlled Vault at just the right temperature. And the car has been restored to a condition that it wasn't even when it left the factory 50 years ago! A fabulously cut & polished 50 carat diamond. So keep your distance.

you see my point?

If you are asking with regard to Preservation Class (C-19) then any car that has been restored, reconditioned or "maintained" by repairing rust and repainting would cause deductions to be taken. For example, 25.00 points would be deducted if the car was repainted. If any chrome parts were replaced or rechromed, they would be subject to similar point deductions as well.