Thanks for NOTHING!:

Hey you need to get your torque checked- the BIG difference is that this site you tend to get good info--if someone KNOWS! On JL you may get a response on any topic--print them out and use most for TP. I don't know if you wanted an answer or you are just lonely. Tell you what- I saw your query-I did not have any meaningful response so I did not post. Next time I will just say hi and good luck. I can't speak for the club but personally I don't think we will miss much if you don't join.

George Camp

Ron....

Bad form, bad form. What? You ask some questions with the anticipation that someone out there is OBLIGATED to give you answers? Did it ever occur to you that perhaps no one else had anything else to offer by way of advice, over and above what was already graciously given?

Yeah, go to Jag-lovers...it's a good outfit. But display the same attitude there and see how much help you get.

Good luck in your travails....

No "cheers" from me on this one

Doug Dwyer
JDRC/NWA

Hey Ron,

Go buy a BMW!

The people who have put this website and forums together have worked very hard and produced a great product and resource. You have very little if anything to complain about. How much did you pay for the advice you received?? Nothing?! Well then, you received good value for your money with the answers you did get and you've got NOTHING to whine about.

The car hobby is like any other hobby or pastime. You meet some very nice people and then there are the occasional whining snifflers who think they have everything coming to them. Let me point out one very important fact to you: you join a car club to GIVE of your time and knowledge, not to RECEIVE. Try to learn that lesson before you join your local Jaguar club.

Daniel
2002 X-type
1968 E-type
1958 MkIX
1952 XK120

Ron,

That's what search engines are for. ;-) If you put in almost any technical automotive term and "Jaguar" you will find a link to Jag-Lovers in short order.

I probably should have said this sooner, but I had hoped you would find them yourself in your web surfing and I didn't want to send someone away from the JCNA site. This is the best site around to find out what is happening with the Jaguar Clubs of North America, discuss rules, learn about local club events, but as a technical forum it isn't the premier site. The reason is that there one site that handles about 90% of all the Jaguar technical questions on the Internet -- Jag-Lovers (www.jag-lovers.org).

You want to have fun with your Jag? You want to get together with other people who also own Jags? You want to take part in social events, find out who the best mechanics are in your area, or take a run on back roads, one of the sixty local JCNA-affiliated clubs are the place to be.

But if you want to answer any technical question out there, go to Jag-Lovers. It's not the JCNA site wouldn't be able to do it. In fact people have tried to encourage it. The problem is that Jag-Lovers does such a good job and has since 1996, that there's no reason to look elsewhere. Check some of the other marques and you'll find a dozen sites with the owners spread across them. If you have a tough question, you need to ask a half-dozen places to get an answer. Do that sequentially, and it could take a week or more. Do it all at once, and ... well ... you get the idea.

With an archive of nearly half a million posts and model pages that cover the biggest gotchas for most models, 95% of the questions that might come up have already been answered, sometimes over and over. I wouldn't be surprised if there were 15,000 posts about tires and 10,000 about spark plugs. With an international membership of 20,000, the questions that haven't been answered (and many that have) are quickly responded to on one of the twenty model lists.

For Jaguar owners, there is a symbiotic relationship between the two groups. JCNA is primarily the social side of Jaguar ownership, Jag-Lovers primarily is the technical. I've suggested each group make the symbiosis more tangible by having each site prominently post a link to the other, but each side seems to be a bit wary of the other. Jag-Lovers has a virtual lock on the dispersal of technical information, JCNA has a virtual lock on club activity in North America. Each is a tad concerned that cooperation is a slippery slope that will end up with the other group dominating them. In my opinion, that indicates how valuable the relationship would be to each group and to people like you who are looking for technical information.

Mark Stephenson
Jaguar Club of Central Arizona

Ron,

That's what search engines are for. ;-) If you put in almost any technical automotive term and "Jaguar" you will find a link to Jag-Lovers in short order.

I probably should have said this sooner, but I had hoped you would find them yourself in your web surfing and I didn't want to send someone away from the JCNA site. This is the best site around to find out what is happening with the Jaguar Clubs of North America, discuss rules, learn about local club events, but as a technical forum it isn't the premier site. The reason is that there one site that handles about 90% of all the Jaguar technical questions on the Internet -- Jag-Lovers (www.jag-lovers.org).

You want to have fun with your Jag? You want to get together with other people who also own Jags? You want to take part in social events, find out who the best mechanics are in your area, or take a run on back roads, one of the sixty local JCNA-affiliated clubs are the place to be.

But if you want to answer any technical question out there, go to Jag-Lovers. It's not the JCNA site wouldn't be able to do it. In fact people have tried to encourage it. The problem is that Jag-Lovers does such a good job and has since 1996, that there's no reason to look elsewhere. Check some of the other marques and you'll find a dozen sites with the owners spread across them. If you have a tough question, you need to ask a half-dozen places to get an answer. Do that sequentially, and it could take a week or more. Do it all at once, and ... well ... you get the idea.

With an archive of nearly half a million posts and model pages that cover the biggest gotchas for most models, 95% of the questions that might come up have already been answered, sometimes over and over. I wouldn't be surprised if there were 15,000 posts about tires and 10,000 about spark plugs. With an international membership of 20,000, the questions that haven't been answered (and many that have) are quickly responded to on one of the twenty model lists.

For Jaguar owners, there is a symbiotic relationship between the two groups. JCNA is primarily the social side of Jaguar ownership, Jag-Lovers primarily is the technical. I've suggested each group make the symbiosis more tangible by having each site prominently post a link to the other, but each side seems to be a bit wary of the other. Jag-Lovers has a virtual lock on the dispersal of technical information, JCNA has a virtual lock on club activity in North America. Each is a tad concerned that cooperation is a slippery slope that will end up with the other group dominating them. In my opinion, that indicates how valuable the relationship would be to each group and to people like you who are looking for technical information.

Mark Stephenson
Jaguar Club of Central Arizona